Importing an old LHD 110 or Defender 110 into France.

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Importing an old LHD 110 or Defender 110 into France.

Message par ianrichardson » samedi 12 mai 2012 19:03

Can I pick the collective brains please?
I have a 'retirement project' here in France and I'd like to import an Ex LHD MoD 110 Defender to carry sand, cement and other building materials, plus have a general runabout to use.

Given that the vehicle is older than 1992 I don't have a Certificate of Conformity and it isn't possible to get one from Land Rover so how do I go about getting a Carte Gris for this vehicle when I bring it over.
I live near Payzac in the Dordogne so my local Prefecture is Perigueux, though physically I'm a lot closer to Limoges being on the border of Aquitaine and the Limosine.

So any help, or even a step by step guide would be brilliant.

Thanks in advance,

Ian

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Re: Importing an old LHD 110 or Defender 110 into France.

Message par Arjan » mardi 17 juil. 2012 12:07

Good Afternoon Ian,

Welcome to the Forum.

Please have a look around in the English section of this forum for your step-by-step guide to get French plates.

Land Rover France will be able to supply you with the paperwork needed - providing the 110 is not modified too much. Any paperwork LR UK is worthless anyway.

Age is not an issue - got paperwork for a '62 Series without problems..

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Re: Importing an old LHD 110 or Defender 110 into France.

Message par ianrichardson » mardi 17 juil. 2012 12:35

Hi Arjan

Many thanks for your good wishes!

So sorry we missed each other at the Bristol & West show this year. I was told you had to return suddenly, I hope it wasn't too serious. I arrived to find it was almost sunny! The rain had just missed the show!
I left in the afternoon just as it started to rain!

Lets hope we can meet up before too long.
My plans for an EX Mod Defender have gone onto the back burner, well until the sale of my late mother's house finally goes through. We were gasundered, the opposite of gasumping, when people who are selling put the price up just before exchange. Our 'purchaser' wanted to DROP the price on the exchange date. Needless to say we didn't play ball. I hope I don't ever meet him!

Speak soon,

Ian
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Re: Importing an old LHD 110 or Defender 110 into France.

Message par francol » mardi 17 juil. 2012 19:23

Hi Ian,

All my retired British neighbours who came to settle here (Brittany) with their RHD cars with UK plates and had absolutely no problem to have them changed for French places once they had a faultless Contrôle technique (local MoT), they did not have to ask Mr Soandso any paperwork or certificate or prior approval of any sort (except, of course, proof that they did live here in France : EdF or phone bills for example), so I can't see why you should have a problem (considering your motor is roadworthy). You can also keep the original British plates and use your LR without problem but you'll have to drive back to GB every year for a new MoT if you want your motor to be still road-legal there
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Re: Importing an old LHD 110 or Defender 110 into France.

Message par ianrichardson » mercredi 18 juil. 2012 9:25

Hi Francol

Thanks for your words of encouragement.

I agree that for a 'normal' modern car, registering it in France is just a matter of following the correct paper trail at the Prefecture.

I hope to buy an EX MoD Defender, and by definition, not one that has been registered for civilian use until it is released from the MoD.
This shows up vagaries in 'the system'.
In the UK is is straightforward to register the vehicle with the DVLA (Driver Vehicle Licensing Authority). There is very little red tape involved, in fact hardly any at all, that makes it appear stupidly simple, and there lies the problem with us Brits, as to why it is SO difficult in France. MoT, CT call it what you will, the same parameters exist, is it roadworthy? Does it satisfy the regulatory authority as regards headlights, brakes, suspension play etc.? That part makes sense to us Brits, so what is the problem registering that vehicle for the road if it is roadworthy?
The French and the British have a love of cars. You had the first cars on the road, we followed very soon afterwards, our understanding of the history of vehicular transport is in our genes. You only have to look into the eyes of a French or British man or woman when a lovingly restored De Dion Bouton is paraded in front of us to see that.
What stumps us Brits is that the French love of bureaucracy is even greater!

I've been given some very good advice by Arjan and others as to 'how to do it'.
I'll be following their advice to the letter!

Regards

Ian

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Re: Importing an old LHD 110 or Defender 110 into France.

Message par francol » lundi 23 juil. 2012 10:49

Hi Ian,

I imported two Series II from UK, one of them being ex-MoD (with a civvy plate), registering them in France has been straightforward (provided you are legal resident here -ie you can provide formal proofs : local tax form, electricity/phone bills etc.) :
- you first go to the Tax Income people and show them that your motor is over 6 months old or has run over 6,000 km (V5 and purchase bill with recorded mileage) and they provide a 'quitus fiscal' (it is free) stating that you comply with imports requirements
- you undergo a 'contrôle technique', the French equivalent of your MoT (which has no official value here); it must be faultless (contrôle technique admits a few minor defaults which do not have to be atended to)
- with all your paperwork (ID papers, proofs of local residence, V5, contrôle technique report, quitus fiscal, and of course a form, to be filled on the spot or downloaded from the Net if you know which one you need - ask around you), you go to your local 'préfecture' or 'sous-préfecture' (ask locals where you have to go) and apply for a French 'carte grise'

If everything is OK, you get it at once (temporary CG at once, the real thing is sent to your home one or two days after)
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